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We have been selling green cleaners for years now, it all passed Canada's NSF and yet it is a powerful product. WE use it for trashed carpet, grout and tile, wood, brick and concrete.

 

Green doens't need to mean WEAK...

 

Abstraction Vlm and Tlc are green yet very powerful.

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I have never heard of NSF. Can you tell me what this is exactly

 

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I think it means Non Sufficient Funds.

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VLM and TLC are awesome cleaners. As are the 1st Enviro products that are very similar in Canada.

DFC and Ecogent are good cleaners.

If you have a functional health and safety policy in your business you would be using green cleaners whenever you can.

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If you are not spraying green then maybe you should re-think your options.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Michael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24/June/2005 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by MR. STEAMER MR. STEAMER wrote:

WOW Clean Green Cleaners.... I guess I can clean green after all my TM is just outside the customers door making tons of pollution...lol



We're not trying to save the world. We're just trying to meet customer concerns and find a marketing niche. If we can manage to be sensitive to environmental concerns, then great. It's my experience that customers are chiefly concerned about how safe our products are to them personally, in their home. I'm constantly being asked if my products are safe for animals, safe for people with allergies or sensitivities to detergents and fragrances, etc. No one has ever asked if my products kill whales or dim the sun. In short, who cares about the apparent contradiction in running a truckmount? I'll use HWE if it's warranted, or I'll bonnet. Most of the Green products are formulated to be used either way. Lots of carpet cleaners claim they use non-toxic, biodegradeable products. It hardly sets them apart anymore, but the Green Seal adds credibility to such claims.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Michael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24/June/2005 at 8:54pm
Many thanks to you and others (e.g., Padman, Carpetologist, LilNiteRidrhood, cleanex) who have posted very useful information on this thread. This is all immensely helpful!

Originally posted by Jim Darling Jim Darling wrote:

Michael - You have asked some very good questions. Our Company has been involved in "green" for several years now and i must admit that generally speaking the professional caqrpet cleaning industry has done a good job of sitting on both sides of the fence. Those that recognize the value it brings have embraced it - those that  are used to cleaning with nuclear power haven't and more than likely won't.

You say that many in your county are green conscious. They are not alone. It is estimated that 15 - 20% of the population is now chemically sensitive, asthma is exploding as are other respiratory ailments. I can tell you from my work with Governments at both the provincial and federal levels tells me that the changes that are coming are here to stay in public buildings. People who operate in the public domain recognize the issues that we face. The scientific evidence is in fact overwhelming.

Having said this - at the residential level most of this goes out the window. A cleaner has just one shot to impress the customer and so is inclined to use their favorite "firepower" because it workks really well.

Green solutions generally speaking clean the average soil but do not respond as well to trashed out carpets such as found in restaurants or other areas. The new DFC products work very well in the bonnet and encapsulation arena's. If there is a main theme here it simply - lets minimize our exposure (and the customers) to the nasty stuff only when necessary. The nasty stuff will never go away - there will always be a need.

However, you are bang on if you market and promote the use of safer chemistry to your customers. i assure you your customers are ready for it. 

I might also suggest that the EPA is not the greatest place to get info. They do not write standards. Just as the IICRC is recognized for writing standards in the cleaning and restoration industry the most recognized green standards are: Environmental Choice (Canada), green Seal (USA) European Flower (Europe) and the CRI (USA). The latter does not write standards but they do run scientific tests on products to insure they meet the criteria they have set up.

Most standards are environmental standards - there is one called CCD146i that is a health standard. This one certainly makes most sense to me as most of the cleaning products certified are all about saving the fish at the expense of the people.

If you want more unbiased factual info i have lots of it. let me know

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So Simple Green is going to be banned in Canada? It's made there, are they planning on stopping production? Any links to this information about it being banned? Interesting info on the specifics, been using it for general cleaning, makes sense though, it cleans a little too well for something so good for the environment.
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The TLV of butyl cellusolve is 20PPM Skin.

That is nasty and in no way green.

They are talking about banning butyls in Canada, but it is more likely to be taxed so as to not be affordable. Taxes, the Canadian way.

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I clean fairly green
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Originally posted by Michael Michael wrote:

Originally posted by MR. STEAMER MR. STEAMER wrote:

WOW Clean Green Cleaners.... I guess I can clean green after all my TM is just outside the customers door making tons of pollution...lol



We're not trying to save the world. We're just trying to meet customer concerns and find a marketing niche. If we can manage to be sensitive to environmental concerns, then great. It's my experience that customers are chiefly concerned about how safe our products are to them personally, in their home. I'm constantly being asked if my products are safe for animals, safe for people with allergies or sensitivities to detergents and fragrances, etc. No one has ever asked if my products kill whales or dim the sun. In short, who cares about the apparent contradiction in running a truckmount? I'll use HWE if it's warranted, or I'll bonnet. Most of the Green products are formulated to be used either way. Lots of carpet cleaners claim they use non-toxic, biodegradeable products. It hardly sets them apart anymore, but the Green Seal adds credibility to such claims.
let me tell you no one cares... just get the carpet clean... it's nice to say it's green clean but once it's in a hydro force or a spray bottle...who the hell knows...

customers don't have labs on site where they can do testing...

don't get sucked into this foolishness

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Michael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25/June/2005 at 7:16pm
Thanks for the tip, Steamer. I see your point, but after ten years of doing business in this area, I have a good idea of what my customers' needs are. Most of them would prefer cleaners that give them peace of mind with regard to safety, as long as they can get an equally good cleaning. One way or another, we're selling peace of mind.

Let me tell you, some people do care.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote doug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25/June/2005 at 7:28pm
Michael: What a pile of crap!  Tell us here when the last time you sat down with one of your customers and went over your MSDS with them to explain just how you are giving them peace of mind. Let me tell you. Get down of your podiem. One way or another you are full of $hit.
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Well I can tell you that I have been selling my company on the lines of safe cleaning chemistry for a couple of years.
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