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No argument from me there, no cleaning system is 100% effective, but there are ways and means of increasing the effectiveness, and it may not necessarily mean using just one system! As long as you're getting paid for energy expended you can mix'n'match to your benefit (as well as your customer's carpets!)
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Originally posted by PadMan PadMan wrote:

So then loving it means you are doing it right?
never said that you didn't
 
I just wanted you to admit...that even though we say it's clean(no matter what method) it really isn't clean.
 
it really just "looks clean"
 
some cleaner than others so we can say different shades of clean
 
or  how I like to say it different shades of dirtyApprove
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HUH I think you missed the point of it all freshair...
 
I know exactly what I need to know from the production of chemicals(family business sort of)  to the building of all types of cleaning equipment(that means I know alot more than just turning the things on) to many different types and arts of cleaning(YUP)
 
Most carpet cleaners are being fooled..... from the people who produce the product to the people who produce the equipment.....
 
Cleaners believe everything they read on the label ...lol
 
Read from the start...I think you're lost... no one is downing op or anyother type method.....  I just don't agree the VLM is cleaner than anything else....just another shade of dirty...and those bad spills are really still there....you know the one that keeps coming back everytime it's been HWE... but never comes back once vlm'd...guess what ...??? it's still there...LOL
 
but I guess I can formulate my words so you can understand that...
 
I'm weak....and tired
 
good luck freshaire
 
I'm's doneLOL
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The main difference between you and me Steamer is that I'm willing to investigate and learn, you're quick to give an opinion and then not budge from it because it is your opinion. You're entitled to it and I used to be on a similar wavelength to you having been a dedicated T/M HWE guy for 17 years, and then Encapsulation cleaning came along, which let's face it, when you break it down simply is a modernised extension of the old Wet Shampoo method.

I started using it because a couple of gallons was given to me for free to play with - and blow me down if I didn't start getting some amazing results with!! That is my experience and I have done a lot of research into it chemically and procedure-wise and it is now an integral part of my service as I have found it a more than valid weapon in my arsenal. I am also curious by nature ands sceptical of claims made by others trying to sell me something, so I have to prove it for myself, one way or the other.

Try using it more and come to it with an open mind and you too, like me, may even change it. Just because it didn't work for you on one or two jobs is no reason to write it off. If you had used your truckmount with no knowledge, overwet or otherwise damaged your first two jobs because no-one had ever trained you properly, does that make HWE invalid as well? I have seen that happen many a time before and a lot of people are wary of HWE systems because of prior bad experiences with so-called carpet cleaners that damaged their precious carpets using HWE.

If you understood the chemistry and what happens post-clean with encapsulation cleaning (and then there's OP which is another step up the scale of effectiveness), then you probably would retract a lot of what you have said thus far. Instead all you have shown thus far is ignorance on the system, as I probably would have done 5 years ago as well. All I know is that after much trial and tribulation (no-one was there to train me either, I was the first one in my State to start using it!), I find myself with a cleaning system that works, one that my customers are happy with, is easier, faster to do and not to mention cheaper than pushing a wand around especially in a commercial situation and earns me a lot more money.

As for the case of that customer that went from monthly cleans with someone else @ $60 a shot to my yearly clean @ $440 a shot - because I love my job too and am prepared to put 110% into every job I do but demand to get paid for it - well I suppose I can say that I am technically $280 worse off per year as he was getting $720 in the same time frame on that one job. But, I only go there once, not 12 times, and I have a happy customer who has referred me quite a bit of work because of the difference in result. And further to that, in those 11 times I didn't go there, I was free to find 11 others who are willing pay the same amount and in some cases based on my customer's good word, so that's over $5000 in the same period the other guy earns $720.

So, who's the fool? Wink By the way the "fool" comment is not aimed at you Steamer, but at the "other guy". I'm not here for a slanging match but like you said, I piped up cos I hate Bull$hit being slung around, whether it be because someone is misinformed, unaware or has hidden agendas i.e. someone peddling something and feeding suckers like us incorrect info.

So I challenge you, go find someone who knows about the system, open your mind and then make a value judgement on it. You may even be as surprised yourself as I have been over the years since starting with this system...

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I have always loved what I do, must be doing it right then..
 
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Originally posted by PadMan PadMan wrote:

So then loving it means you are doing it right?
YUP because if you don't love what you do...you wouldn't care... loving is caring and taking the time to make sure you do it right.
 
 
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So then loving it means you are doing it right?
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Originally posted by FreshAire FreshAire wrote:

Methinks Mr Steamer is steamy by personality -dam but he gets hot under the collar doesn't he? Oh well, I'll keep to my opinions formed from 22 years working my carpet cleaning business, same as you, based on training I have received  and now pass on to other guys, as well valuable info I have received helping to do research...
I answered your question...didn't I
 
did you get the answer you want????
 
what no comment????
 
I know guys that have been cleaning for 22 years doing it the same wrong way...
 
I heard about a guy working at Servicemaster for over 20 years that didn't know a truckmount existed.
 
just because you are doing it for a long time doesn't mean you know what you are doing
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The difference between me and you...is I love what I do....
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If they are running red buffer pads, I sure as heck didn't train them...LOL
 
I NEVER run a buffer pad on carpet, I did ONCE but that was on a carpet with a test product that made the carpet stiff,  I red buffer padded it then vacuumed, that did the trick but other than that NO BUFFER pads for me.
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John
I know 2 guys in toronto with OP machines and they both run red buffer pads (or beige fibre pads) to clean. so who is selling op machines and not teaching these guys properly??? They must have got the machines from you?
 
These 2 didnt drive to Alabama Confused
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SteamingPile, you are a lot more hot air than anything else, trying cleaning with THAT resource, seems it is renewable.
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Methinks Mr Steamer is steamy by personality -dam but he gets hot under the collar doesn't he? Oh well, I'll keep to my opinions formed from 22 years working my carpet cleaning business, same as you, based on training I have received  and now pass on to other guys, as well valuable info I have received helping to do research...
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FRESHPILE....

 
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do you know what...  that was done at the library.... NO RESULTS so you would have failed...  It wasn't my job, but I was there to watch the process of padding....hew..and op...
 
I'm not going to waste my time one you... I guess you've learned alot on those 5 carpets you cleaned last year...
 
your more of a forum learner....  have you actually ever touch a piece of equipment???
 
I think you must have sun stroke Freshiefromdownunder...LOL
 
"So, in this scenario it was HWE before, monthly, looking like $hit, to now OP exclusively and the odd spot here and there but not trashed out after 12 months. How do you explain that then?
I have... but for you Freshhack no problem....
 
Not enough dry particles where pre-vac'd out of the carpet... juice ... coffeee and other liquids that have spilled on the carpet and eventually made there way down into the backing and sit nicely between the backing and the concrete.
 
so as the hwe guy cleans, and he makes mud because of all the dry particles. The mud wicks up
 
lots of the spill stains seem to be removed at the time of cleaning... but no method can really pull out a liquid stain that has permeated the backing.. so because HWE leaves the carpet damp it tends to allow these stains to wick up..
 
therefore it looks sh*t everymonth....
 
You with your little sh*t upright vac that truly doesn't have the suction to pull enough of the dry particles up, any really only picks up the big pieces... does a pre-vac..
 
Then you pre-spray with your magic chemical of choice...
 
you go over the carpet making it look cleaner....never really dealing with the spill the are way down deep... just over top of them with very light moisture...
 
the spills disappear...and have no chance of coming back because with your method it is dry to the touch in minutes and will dry totally in an hour or so...
 
FreshTECh is happy with his job  hiding spills...evenly spreading drity...carpet looks great and customer is happy...
 
instead of trying to keep the 4 times a year like the HWE guys he so happy that he only does it twice a year..the customer is happy because they are saving money...
 
Freshair I'm sorry about the name calling...but I hate to hear bullsh*t and everyone dancing around the issues.
 
I have a power head that I plug in and use to vac commercial jobs only...
 
I thing I have said I don't vac residential jobs... I leave it to the customer to do a pre-vac before I get there...  which all my customers do and move breakables and get the place ready for cleaning...  I can do it but I charge...LOL
 
I clean more than enough carpet to know how to get carpet clean... I'm a own operator and I don't get it right I have to go back look like a fool and take the loss to my pocket.
 
I do well over 1000 carpets personally per year with less than 0.05% reservice rate....so excuse me if I seem like an a**hole.  I've done work for numerous companies in the GTA and none of them can say anything bad about my work... their customers call in with praise.
 
I am not one of you weekend warriors
 
I am not looking to make extra money on the side of my regular job
 
I am not a splash and dasher who only clean 5 carpets a year
 
I AM A f**kING CARPET CLEANER THAT LIVES BREATHES EATS AND sh*tS CLEANING
 
so there!
 
 
 
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Mr Steamingkettle

"I've seen some real high traffic places like our local library...nothing works on that...ask LEE"

Instead of asking LEE try HWE and follow up with OP and give it an actual red-hot go without letting opinion or you ego get in the way. I have rescued "unrestorable" carpet in that manner many a time, getting better results than I ever could with the most aggressive HWE procedures on their own. In fact one contract I have in a commercial situation (car rental premises), the building owner was ready to tear up and replace the carpet due to the state it was in. I have now been doing for the last 6 years after rescuing his carpet in that manner with the cleaning period going from monthly with his previous (HWE) contractor, extending to 6 monthly for the first two years and now 12 monthly - and the last 3 cleans have been exclusively OP! And after the third year he commented to me on how extraordinary he found it that the carpets were looking better than at any time since he'd taken over the premises!!

So, in this scenario it was HWE before, monthly, looking like $hit, to now OP exclusively and the odd spot here and there but not trashed out after 12 months. How do you explain that then?

PS please come back with another witty play on my name for me, I'm actually quite enjoying them and looking forward to them; at least it shows your creative side LOL

PPS a 56 blower to prevac? How unimpressive - why is it that I don't use mine to prevac but choose an actual upright vacuum cleaner that will do a better job of vacuuming dry dirt than suction only can ever do, no matter how powerful it is? And yeah I used to do it that way myself, including using a powerhead and a self-designed dust-downer and filter to save my precious T/M blower, but found that my commercial upright vac was pulling out more than double what my T/M could - verified by the Dept of Environmental Science @ Murdoch University so not just my opinion...

Once again, show us some evidence, not just hearsay or personal anecdotes....
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