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Adwa you can't say at least you haven't thought about it TIDE in your solution tank.

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Originally posted by Adwa Adwa wrote:

""""""""OH!!!""""""""""""Brother!!!"""""""""""""

Were is General Lee and Jim Darling..............I would love to hear what they would have to say regarding this topic.

These guys are going to say use proper chemical... Lee teaches IICRC course Jim Teaches and produces and sells Chem Spec.

Listen to me a guy who has to cut cost and has nothing to gain by saying what will work or will not work.

I've done the research.... so the stuff will not be labeled properly... it wont have a MSDS or WHIMSS.... but will it work hell yes....

and if you have a box a tide in your truck your covered you can't get fined, everything is on the box....lol

I've used knock of chemicals for years... with no effect on any carpet or my prochem equipment.....none what so ever.

Take crest lab up in scarb.....  now their products are properly priced for our industry..... his 50lb soap will cost you no more than a 50lbs of tide..

so you dum dums can buy name... buy label....listen to sales people...or try and learn and find out for yourselves

 

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Some cleaners will spend a small fortune to save a penny, do what you do best. If that is being a chemist than get out of carpet cleaning and become a chemist, if it is carpet cleaning why would you spend all that time to save on something that is such a small percentage of your overall costs.
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Originally posted by cleanex cleanex wrote:

Some cleaners will spend a small fortune to save a penny, do what you do best. If that is being a chemist than get out of carpet cleaning and become a chemist, if it is carpet cleaning why would you spend all that time to save on something that is such a small percentage of your overall costs.

That's because there all dum dums   

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There will be a Tide of problems and dissatisfied customers if you get too many carpet cleaners converted to Tide.

I am in the process of doing and evaporation test on Tide (should take another day of so before I post the results). So far the Tide is looking very slimey.

I am sure Tide is an excellent cleaner but the problem is that it requires at least three rinses. Carpet cleaners do not have that kind of time frame and still be able to show a profit.

Your customers carpet will resoil rapidly and they will never call you back.

SO WHAT HAVE YOU SAVED?

We replaced a pump yesterday at a $1,200.00 cost to a carpet cleaner who listened to his Uncle Henry or took his Grandmothers remedies advice. Found out the product he used cleaned out his pump real well.

Cost Comparisons:

Let's talk Quality with a Kick.

Take Chemspec Formula 90 powder for example...
Directions:
Mix one oz. of Formula 90 per 5 gallons of water.

Buying Formula 90 powder in small amounts and no discounts (list price) would cost you 40 cents per oz. This means 80 cents (Canadian dollars) (U.S. 20% less) per fill up in standard 10 gallon portable. Cost $1.60 to clean the average home.

Let's say you can buy a cheaper product for 50% less. So you have saved 80 cents and possibly compromised your equipment and your customers.

Jim Darling is out of town and will be back tomorrow. I know he can explain what fillers are in products. Basically they are products that bulk up the purchase to make it look like more. But fillers or no fillers I will leave that one up to intelligent minds.

Formula 90 Contains:

  • Corrosive Inhibitors
  • Brighteners all colours
  • Excellent soil resistance
  • pH buffering compounds
  • Non foaming

Sounds like you guys have me on the run with this Tide deal. Maybe I am best to take nightriders advice, to shut-up and make my money on the repairs caused by cheap products and buy stock in Procter & Gamble.

When the chips are down nightrider always has the answers.

With all the Tide talk it's time to resurrect some old posts from days gone by of our famous formula HIDE. I am sure our forum newbies will enjoy it!


http://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=266&K W=hide

 

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I don't know anything about Tide, or any other laundry soap to clean carpets........But ........What I do know is that my cheap partners at the restaurant wanted to save $ 150.00 /month on the dishwashing soap 4 months ago and it just cost us $2,200 to replace stainless steel clogged jet tubes , $ 325.00 for pump seals, and $ 450.00 Labour Costs.......Not to mention the 10 hours of down time, extra costs for washing by hand and 3 very pissed off dishwashers.

Wash your hair with shampoo

Wash your clothes with laundry soap

Clean your toilet with Toilet Bowl Cleaner

Clean your customers carpet with Carpet Cleaner

They're paying you to do a job.........so do it, if you want to save money stop smoking, or drink less beer.

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Originally posted by Adwa Adwa wrote:

Originally posted by cleanex cleanex wrote:

Some cleaners will spend a small fortune to save a penny, do what you do best. If that is being a chemist than get out of carpet cleaning and become a chemist, if it is carpet cleaning why would you spend all that time to save on something that is such a small percentage of your overall costs.

That's because there all dum dums   

Adwa I expect you to say that... you mark-up and sell chemicals...  No one wants to be a chemist... but for a couple of bucks why not analyze what your using.... in business you should know ALL ASPECTS of it... How to clean ..How to drive.... how to repair... knowing what solution your using and it function... tons of down time now.

The detergent I use ...I've been using it for 10 years with excellent results and its way cheap than even a box of tide...

when the guy first analyzed the dry slurry he said and I quote"this is no better than a good laundry detergent"

Not to flame cleanex but soap is not a small portion of the total bill ...it's a big portion...

50lbs dry slurry $200..

50lbs chemspec high heat/enzyme/df $200+

50lbs of attack/suspend $200+

50lbs cosways stuff $150

50lbs of knock of $75

looks like savings to me... and I've used them all and none works better than the other.

Listen do your job and do it right

dwell time(at least 10 mins)

agitate(with a brush or groomer)

heat in most cases(150*f-190*f)

these will give you good results on most residential carpet no matter what soap you use.

I like the way these sales people... and these chemical people ....try to tell me something that I live everyday.

they never used the stuff but yet they can talk about it

 

 

 

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Originally posted by Carpetologist Carpetologist wrote:

There will be a Tide of problems and dissatisfied customers if you get too many carpet cleaners converted to Tide.

I am in the process of doing and evaporation test on Tide (should take another day of so before I post the results). So far the Tide is looking very slimey.

I am sure Tide is an excellent cleaner but the problem is that it requires at least three rinses. Carpet cleaners do not have that kind of time frame and still be able to show a profit.

Your customers carpet will resoil rapidly and they will never call you back.

SO WHAT HAVE YOU SAVED?

We replaced a pump yesterday at a $1,200.00 cost to a carpet cleaner who listened to his Uncle Henry or took his Grandmothers remedies advice. Found out the product he used cleaned out his pump real well.

Bull Bull Bull he must be an idiot and put dfc in the water...lol

Ted all the above stuff you said is bull... straight up bull

how are you mixing this hide???

10 oz in a hydro froce 1 gallon.....pre-spray

no re-soiling... no foam... no bull happy customer

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what is knock of? is it white? I think I used it on a new carpet then some stains came up, the building owner called in and IICRC inspector and he tested the problem area at pH 13. now i'm f**ked I'm gonna sue the guy who made it
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Chemical costs represent about 3% of gross sales in the average carpet cleaning companies. That is one of the smallest costs in our business, don't know about Steamer's costs, if I was going to waste my time on anything it would looking for ways to reduce labour, taxes, gasoline, heat & hydro costs long before trying to save pennies on some SOAP mixture, that may or may not save so little my bottom line would not change.

To each his own, maybe a one man operation could get away with using laundry soap

 

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why Tide? why not Presidents Choice or Cosco or Amway?

why not find something that is 1/2 the price of tide the you really be saving big time

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We replaced a pump yesterday at a $1,200.00 cost to a carpet cleaner who listened to his Uncle Henry or took his Grandmothers remedies advice. Found out the product he used cleaned out his pump real well.

Don't know about that Uncle Henry stuff we are talking about something as simple as TIDE. With a tested PH. If it has worked on bonnet cleaning why not with the heat in Steam Cleaning. I haven't had any problems or meantime failure any different. Carpetologist I hope the test you are doing is with Powder. As it is I can clean carpet without solution 230 degree steam as far as the TIDE just about 2 scoops per 5 gallon solution tank.  Someone also said it has enzymes man thats a bonus. I will say this it has to be safe. Can someone get fined by osha for not disposing of this properly or is this safe as an extra extra bonus.  It is even used on babies clothes if it was bad no parent would even think about it. As it is lots of people do not clean there carpet enough we are getting them on a cycle. If  it is every 6 months to a year so be it everyone wins. We going to make even more money. That is why we are here right.



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Originally posted by dennis_is_ok dennis_is_ok wrote:

what is knock of? is it white? I think I used it on a new carpet then some stains came up, the building owner called in and IICRC inspector and he tested the problem area at pH 13. now i'm f**ked I'm gonna sue the guy who made it
more bull bull bull

your a formula 70 guy...lol

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